Dark Money -
The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right
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5th Earth said @ 5:27am GMT on 9th April
You know, I actually called it an editorial myself, so you don't need to make that point to me.
re: Matt Sharp and the groups he represents, okay, he's a toolbag. That still doesn't mean anything he's saying in this particular instance is wrong. He may be trying to distract from the issue at hand, but he's doing it by pointing out a legitimate problem elsewhere. I'm willing to accept that someone can be right for the wrong reasons. Right for the wrong reason is still useful. Hitler was a vegan, etc.
Maybe most people are dumb enough to be distracted by the distraction that it arguably is. Maybe other people see that it's a distraction and look no further. I'm willing to look at the point he's making, determine what relevance if any it has to the original issue, consider it (yes, at it's face value, giving the benefit of a doubt is a virtue in my book), and let it inform my attitudes without forgetting the original problem.
I see a lot of indignation from you that this is all a right-wing plot, but you haven't actually refuted anything he's saying. As far as I can tell we don't really disagree on what the piece actually says. You just don't like that I'm willing to overlook their motives to consider the actual content.
5th Earth said @ 5:31am GMT on 9th April
You know, I actually called it an editorial myself, so you don't need to make that point to me.
re: Matt Sharp and the groups he represents, okay, he's a toolbag. That still doesn't mean anything he's saying in this particular instance is wrong. He may be trying to distract from the issue at hand, but he's doing it by pointing out a legitimate problem elsewhere. I'm willing to accept that someone can be right for the wrong reasons. Right for the wrong reason is still useful. Hitler was a vegan, etc.
Maybe most people are dumb enough to be distracted by the distraction that it arguably is. Maybe other people see that it's a distraction and look no further. I'm willing to look at the point he's making, determine what relevance if any it has to the original issue, consider it (yes, at its face value, giving the benefit of a doubt is a virtue in my book), and let it inform my attitudes without forgetting the original problem.
I see a lot of indignation from you that this is all a right-wing plot, but you haven't actually refuted anything he's saying. As far as I can tell we don't really disagree on what the piece actually says. You just aren't willing to overlook their motives to consider the actual content.
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5th Earth said @ 5:27am GMT on 9th April
You know, I actually called it an editorial myself, so you don't need to make that point to me.
re: Matt Sharp and the groups he represents, okay, he's a toolbag. That still doesn't mean anything he's saying in this particular instance is wrong. He may be trying to distract from the issue at hand, but he's doing it by pointing out a legitimate problem elsewhere. I'm willing to accept that someone can be right for the wrong reasons. Right for the wrong reason is still useful. Hitler was a vegan, etc.
Maybe most people are dumb enough to be distracted by the distraction that it arguably is. Maybe other people see that it's a distraction and look no further. I'm willing to look at the point he's making, determine what relevance if any it has to the original issue, consider it (yes, at its face value, giving the benefit of a doubt is a virtue in my book), and let it inform my attitudes without forgetting the original problem.
I see a lot of indignation from you that this is all a right-wing plot, but you haven't actually refuted anything he's saying. As far as I can tell we don't really disagree on what the piece actually says. You just aren't willing to overlook their motives to consider the actual content.