Saturday, 25 April 2015

Laverne Cox Gets Naked, Exposes Radical Feminist Exclusionism

quote [ When Laverne Cox decided to pose nude for Allure, she knew she was taking a risk. ?Black women are not often told that we?re beautiful unless we align with certain standards,? Cox told Allure. ?Trans women certainly are not told we?re beautiful.?

More than that, trans women and black women, too, are often told that they?re not real women. ]

I read Playboy for the articles! Well-written piece although, for those who know a little about feminism, it shouldn't come as a surprise that TERFs are horrible people, or that TERF even is a thing.

Also, that is an amazing photo.
[NSFW] [art] [+6]
[by azazel@6:29pmGMT]


sanepride said @ 8:02pm GMT on 25th Apr [Score:2]
Wasn't aware of TERF and I'm sorry now to learn about it. Since I've always interpreted the ultimate goal of feminism to be unequivocal gender equality, the very concept of excluding anyone seems contradictory and decidedly anti-feminist. It's a little like being a civil rights activist but excluding the bi-racial.
Abdul Alhazred said @ 8:22pm GMT on 25th Apr
Yeah, I'll just add that to the list of things that I regret knowing.
arrowhen said @ 9:58pm GMT on 25th Apr
I've known black people who would both complain about anti-black racism and refer to Asians as "chinks" practically in the same sentence, women who would bristle about gender stereotypes but still talk shit about Mexicans, and a whole ugly spectrum of hypocritical liberal white guys. Just because someone has a few progressive notions is no guarantee they're not still an asshole.
MadMarchHarris said @ 6:44pm GMT on 25th Apr
Never heard the term TERF before (I assume the RF is radical feminist) but I sadly became aware of the status of trans women in the current scope of feminism some time ago. The idea of a feminist or Social Justice Warrior should be unimpeachable, argued against by only the most pungent of basement dwelling scum, but discovering such base level failures as this just takes the wind out of one's sails.
papango said @ 8:03pm GMT on 25th Apr
TERF is most definitely a thing. A vile repulsive thing that slithers around sliming up the place. It's so gross and so disgusting I can't even really engage with it.
azazel said @ 8:35pm GMT on 25th Apr
To quote Dinosaur Comics: "these people are broken and I don't wanna deal with their garbage."

papango said @ 8:45pm GMT on 25th Apr [Score:1 Good]
I don't, I really don't. But sometimes I feel like I have to. If some TERF abomination comes slithering into a conversation I feel like I have to push back because I won't have my silence taken as agreement, and also because I'm not trans so they can't get at me they way they get at transwomen. And the suicide rate for trans people being what it is, I can't be having people in a space I'm in making it worse. I'd be fine if they just weren't helping, but to actively make life shittier for people who have a hard road anyway is just foulness.
azazel said @ 9:06pm GMT on 25th Apr
Oh yeah, I'm with you on that. It's just so fucking tiring, dealing with them. It'd be nice to not have to do that, hence the "I don't wanna deal with their garbage."

I know it's not a solution, but if they'd just stick together with the gamergater trash and spew their hatred between themselves rather than at actual human beings, I'd be fine with that. Echo chambers are obviously not good, especially not ones where oppressed groups are the targets, but it would be fucking nice if they'd just stay in theirs and leave the rest of humanity alone.
HoZay said @ 10:01pm GMT on 25th Apr
She's beautiful, and that voice!
ENZ said @ 10:28pm GMT on 25th Apr
I know I'm going to be maligned for this, but I see the whole transgender thing as weird as hell. I know I'm supposed to be accepting of everything nowadays instead of just tolerant, but when I see someone who was born a guy get cosmetic surgery and hormone treatment and tell me they're now a woman I can't help but react the same way whenever someone comes up to me and talks about religion. Whatever floats your boat and all that. Despite being the resident shitlord I don't believe anyone should be discriminated against, but I just can't roll with it.
azazel said @ 11:01pm GMT on 25th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
Technically they're just born with a dick (or the opposite, for transmen), there's no being born "guy" about it (this is where the "assigned female/male at birth" (afab/amab) comes from). As long as you try to use the correct pronouns, I have no problem with your personal convictions one way or another. Misgendering people on purpose is an asshole move though (I know several who will insist on using the wrong pronoun because "but they were born [this] and not [that] and chromosomes are important!" and ...

sorry. I'll just shut up.
papango said @ 10:48pm GMT on 25th Apr
Well, you're totally fine to see it as weird or to 'not roll with it'. As long as you're aware of your squeamishness and don't be a dick about it.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 11:36pm GMT on 25th Apr
Why can someone only be a dick about it? Huh? HUH?!
arrowhen said[1] @ 12:40am GMT on 26th Apr [Score:2 Informative]
Don't be an unspecified genitourinary organ about it.
ubie said @ 12:50am GMT on 26th Apr
I had no idea 'genitourinary' was a word. Thank you
HoZay said @ 5:03am GMT on 26th Apr
We're all here to learn.
HoZay said[1] @ 5:03am GMT on 26th Apr
double post alert
arrowhen said @ 12:31am GMT on 26th Apr
I imagine being born with a set of physical sexy bits that aren't properly aligned with your mental sexy bits must also be weird as hell.
papango said @ 1:38am GMT on 26th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
When people think about being transgender I think they often think about changing their gender, but it's probably more accurate to imagine being the gender you are, but looking so much like the opposite gender that you are treated as one and expected to act like one.
cb361 said @ 3:35pm GMT on 26th Apr
I've thought about that, and I think I could manage mentally/emotionally as a (homosexual) member of the opposite gender.
stacyswirl said @ 11:52am GMT on 27th Apr
That's.... like.... really smart. Well said!
HP Lovekraftwerk said[2] @ 1:02am GMT on 26th Apr
I do wonder, if I were faced with the same situation: Would it be "better" to have medical science rework my body to match my brain, or to allow my brain to have the chemicals needed so my desires matched my body?

Edit: Imagine that for a designer drug: An injection or pill that, for the next 24 hours or so, changed your sexual desire to include the gender you're not attracted to sans drug, if not override your usual preference entirely.
oakfloorboard said @ 1:18am GMT on 26th Apr
doesn't it have less to do with brain chemistry and more to do with brain hard-wiring?
therefore, not something so casually changed.
HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:25am GMT on 26th Apr
I believe that's the current science, yes. However, as we don't really have the ability to go in and change brain structure on such a fine level (or even precisely how we'd go about it), I figured the ol' hormonal and dopamine-flavored route would be the next best thing.
HoZay said @ 5:10am GMT on 26th Apr
I've noticed some pretty interesting results from tequila + weed + opportunity.
arrowhen said @ 2:14am GMT on 26th Apr
Best would be the ability to slot your self-module into whatever meatsuit you downloaded and printed this morning.

Reprogrammable brains sound cool too -- in theory, anyway. In practice, people are all too happy to use the same weak passwords for both online banking and their accounts on sketchy Russian porn sites, or send off their SSN and CC info in response to unsolicited emails from "". I don't know if I'm ready for a world where people leave access to control over their entire personalities protected only by "password123".

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