Sunday, 3 May 2015

CEO combs through 16k workers? salaries to make sure women are paid fairly

quote [ Benioff, who grabbed headlines recently for his opposition to the controversial "religious freedom" law in Indiana, says he's methodically combing through the pay of all 16,000 employees of his cloud-based software company to make sure his male and female employees are compensated fairly ]

Good guy Benioff.
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[by azazel@3:37amGMT]


rhesusmonkey said @ 4:11am GMT on 3rd May
See i applaud the action but also find there to be some weasel words in "compensated" and "fairly". It may seem to only have one interpretation, but bear with me.
At my previous employer, in Canada, we had to pay a portion into short-term and long-term disability insurance, it was just a thing. In Ontario, when a woman takes maternity leave, they are eligible for EI for the 13wks post partum, and our employer plan had a "top up" to full salary for first two weeks then a sliding scale down through the remainder. This benefit was paid out by STD, and so all women who elected to bear children while employed could claim this. And parent (non-child bearing, or adoptive) can also claim 39 weeks of parental leave, and this can be shared between parents, but has to be taken as a block. This pays EI as well, but is not compensated through STD programs in the same way.

My new employer has a pretty similar setup, except for the duration is 6wks (because, apparently, the US hates mothers) and that contribution to STD fund is voluntary. The latter part means that prospective mothers need to pay a "tax" to cover their disability needs that non-child bearing folks do not.

So, back to the weasel words. Does "compensation" mean just salary, and ensuring that same pay for same work is applied (which at the outset would be great), or does it mean also that both men and women are asked to make the same monetary investments regardless of gender (or desire to have kids)?
arrowhen said @ 6:04am GMT on 3rd May
The only fair parental leave policy is this: if a new parent wants to fuck off of work for several months to be with their kid (unpaid, of course -- babies are expensive, get used to it!), that's fine, but that also means that if I want to fuck off of work for several months to drink beer and play Minecraft in my underwear (also unpaid, of course), that should be allowed too.

Anything else is pro-breeder discrimination.
milkman666 said @ 2:46pm GMT on 3rd May
Reproduction rights should be revoked, from here out on all children are conceived in state approved exowombs via lottery selected donor samples. The first 18 years of life are spent in a State creche system where a dedicated staff of professional parents and mentors molds the next generation of citizen to optimum psychological and physical profiles, with variances granted for unique/experimental specimans. At 30, there is the Carrousel.

This way, everything is fair.
Dienes said @ 2:50pm GMT on 3rd May
And then the Tamassrans determine who you shall mate with.
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:38pm GMT on 3rd May
Congratulations! You have been selected to mate! Please watch this romantic video "Hopeless in Seattle" and insert turkey baster when you hear the chime.
arrowhen said @ 4:44pm GMT on 3rd May
I'm totally with you except for that last bit. Why go to all that trouble raising citizens only to kill them off at the age where they're just starting to become productive members of society?
rhesusmonkey said @ 4:04am GMT on 4th May
I take it you aren't planning on collecting any sort of pension then, yes? Or social security /OAS type payments? 'Cause someone has to keep feeding those ponzi schemes, and it is either naturalized births or immigrants. I'll be naming my next child "anchor".
rhesusmonkey said @ 4:12am GMT on 4th May
Separately, some companies still offer sabbatical, which is a paid leave, or various kids of unpaid leave beyond the pink slip kind. The only value that is provided to birth mothers is that by law they are eligible for the same (category /type of) job upon their return, same is true for non-birth parents who take leave (in Canada, doesn't seem to be anything comparable in the US).

You can always claim stress leave, if you really feel that a few weeks of gaming in your housecoat are the best way to spend your time. Personally I would be just bored after two weeks.
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:43pm GMT on 3rd May
That's cool and all but there's 16k employees. The CEO usually makes a shit ton of money- shouldn't he be having his HR do this or outsourcing this to a private company? How efficient can this guy be?

That said, maybe it's good public relations and maybe it helps put pressure on HR ala "I'm watching you!".

I'm just super highly skeptical of CEOs in America because I don't think they deserve that kind of pay scale #PinkoCommieMookie
lilmookieesquire said @ 4:45pm GMT on 3rd May
Ie maybe if e had a more reasonable salary and donated the exess to a fund- he could single handledly lighten his workload and solve this problem.

But you know, American CEOs need excessive compensation to attract the "best" talent.
azazel said @ 5:03pm GMT on 3rd May
That, after all, is what makes Benioff stand out here. It's one thing for HR teams to comb through pay data (perhaps partly out of fear of lawsuits), and quite another for a chief executive to commit his time and attention to the issue and publicly hold himself accountable for ending any pay inequities on his watch.
Silent said @ 7:09pm GMT on 3rd May
Oh sure, when I want to share the wealth of the elite with the masses you threaten to go to war, but when a CEO is working at it you want full on revolution.
I guess what I am trying to say dear Mookie, is GIVE ME YOUR KARMA.
discolemonade2.0 said @ 9:56pm GMT on 3rd May
Cough the wage gap doesn't exist cough
freebased said @ 10:21pm GMT on 3rd May
discolemonade2.0 said @ 11:24pm GMT on 3rd May
Blag blah blah feminism. Blah patriarchy blah Anita sarkeesean blah
azazel said @ 2:23am GMT on 4th May
Unsure if you're trolling or not.

Well played.
discolemonade2.0 said @ 11:04am GMT on 5th May
Actually I'm not. The wage gap doesn't exist. Third wave feminists need to change their tampon and stfu
azazel said @ 12:38pm GMT on 5th May
Never before has someone relegated themselves to irrelevance quicker.
discolemonade2.0 said @ 1:43pm GMT on 5th May
Please spew more nonsense about how oppressed women are. Seriously . I could talk for hours on the feminist mouthpiece Anita skarkesesn alone.

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