Thursday, 28 January 2016

Pre-crime: It's now a thing in Britain

quote [ As one leading lawyer says, they’re given to people whom the authorities think ‘might commit an offence’; they’re about ‘predicting crimes’. So Britain in 2016 is policing ‘precrime’; it views certain individuals as precriminals whose rights can be restricted, not on the basis of what they’ve done, but on the basis of what they might do; on the basis of the fantasies of the self-styled seers of officialdom who now police the future as well as the present. ]

Same thing here in Germany, by the way. Buy larger amounts of fertilizer while looking Arab? Police issues a Wanted poster for you. Story in Extended.

The aforementioned story.

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26.01.2016 Cologne. Two weeks before Karneval celebrations, police are searching for a man who bought a suspicious amount of a chemical used in bomb making.

Just two weeks before the “Rosenmontag” parade in Cologne, police are searching for a terror suspect. He is said to have purchased a suspicious amount of Ammonium nitrate at a Knauber (home building store) in Pulheim. Police and state prosecutors say the chemical is capable of causing an explosion if the right knowledge is applied.

Police have release a photo of the man with the caption “Who knows this man?” He appears to be between 45 and 50 years-old and was described by store employees as “from the Middle East.” The suspect bought the chemicals last Friday, and the employee notified police the next day. Despite intensive efforts, police have not been able to identify the man. He is described as 170 – 175 cm tall, slim and he spoke good German. He had a pointed nose and a receding hairline, and a short, dark beard with some gray. At about 4:20 p.m., he was seen leaving the Baumarkt on Siemenstraße and heading on foot towards Pulheim.

Police say they are investigating and cannot yet determine if the chemicals were purchased for the purpose of making a bomb. “State prosecutors and police are taking this very seriously, especially with regard to the current security situation and their responsibility to keep people safe.” Cologne is a host to major Karneval celebrations and about one million people are expected for the “Rosenmontag” parade on February 8.

Anyone who recognizes the man in the picture or who has any further information should contact police immediately at “110”. (Orig. text: Michael Wrobel)


And here's how it turned out.

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27.01.2016 Cologne. A man who made a suspicious chemical purchase at a home building store in Pulheim is in police custody. Police say it is not related to terrorism.

After a suspicious purchase of chemicals was made at a home building store in Pulheim (near Cologne), a 44-year-old man was taken into police custody. After a police manhunt for the man in the security camera photo, he turned himself in to Pulheim police Tuesday evening. He was then brought to authorities in Cologne for questioning.

They say he has been cleared of having any terroristic intentions, but it could be he wanted to make drugs with the chemicals. That is what he had admitted in the questioning. His apartment was searched and drugs were found. While those investigations continue, he remains in police custody.

On Friday last week, the man purchased a suspicious mix of chemicals, and an employee contacted police about it on Saturday. Police didn’t want to comment about which chemicals were bought, but said they viewed it as suspicious because the chemicals could be used for cleaning or for making explosive devices.

(Orig. text: dpa)

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[by Taleweaver@7:08amGMT]

Comments

HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 1:33pm GMT on 28th Jan
I thought America had this as well, after Oklahoma City. If you bought too much ammonium nitrate and you weren't on some kind of registry (as a farmer or other person who'd buy a large volume of the stuff), you'd raise an alarm bell somewhere.

If they really wanted to arrest people for 'pre crime' of that nature, they should lift the ban on buying tons of Sudafed. That way, they could get their meth addicts and I could get my favorite cold/allergy med in quantities that didn't necessitate a bi-weekly visit to Walgreen's during hay fever season.
5th Earth said @ 4:04pm GMT on 28th Jan
Ammonium nitrate really ought to only be available with a license. It's too good of a fertilizer to stop using it, but it's also too dangerous to be freely available. Some sort of permitting system would sort this problem out before it begins.
Pandafaust said @ 7:00pm GMT on 28th Jan
If the USA puts limits on ammonium nitrate use before they put limits on gun ownership I will possible have a seizure from how amused i'd be.
HoZay said @ 7:12pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Informative]
I hope you have a bite stick handy.
The U.S. Finally Starts Regulating Sales Of Ammonium Nitrate (from 2011)
Pandafaust said @ 5:39am GMT on 29th Jan
That's just... just so beautiful. They should have brought a poet.
mechanical contrivance said @ 7:04pm GMT on 28th Jan
Ammonium nitrate isn't protected by the second amendment.
krupa said[1] @ 7:46pm GMT on 28th Jan
But isn't it the work of a police to also prevent crime?

wow, thanks for the edit-button!!!

...so, at least here in Finland, the police are also tasked with the prevention of crime, and that unfortunately does include them _policing_ the behaviour, i.e. they suggest that "yeah, you have those fire-building tools, so better keep them unlit."

Also, it is also punishable to plan a crime, if I'm not mistaken. ALSO, if you try to get someone to commit crime, it is also punishable: if the crime is successful, you are punished as you would be the actual criminal committing the crime. If the crime is not successful, you are punished to a lesser degree. If the crime is not committed, it can be viewed as a perjury.

I don't see what the big deal is. If your intentions are ok, then no harm done, even if the cops do pay a visit.
damnit said @ 2:11am GMT on 29th Jan
After what happened in Cologne, I'd imagine it's getting worse over there in Germany, no?
Taleweaver said @ 7:30am GMT on 29th Jan
You don't really need bombs to harrass women.

That aside, the currently discussed measures go less into keeping possible perpetrators on a tighter leash but preparing all the necessary laws and agreements to get caught perpetrators out of the country more efficiently than before. Get sentenced to any kind of prison term of at least a year, even if it's on probation? GTFO - if we are certain we know where you're coming from, and if we have managed to convince your home country to take you back, and if we believe your home country won't kill you when you return. In order to do this, we're talking to Morocco and Algeria right now and try to strike some deal to that extent with them.

Yup, seriously, that's what we're currently discussing to enforce.

Situation right now: Unless you're sentenced to at least two years prison without probation, you're staying in Germany until we have decided whether to accept your request for asylum or not. If you've shown that you're willing to commit crimes, we're probably going to deny that request, but we're not going to just stop processing your case on account of you getting all criminal here. No matter how we decide, we're never going to send you home into a warzone, or if your home country would kill you upon return, and if we're not certain we know where you're coming from, you're not getting sent anywhere. (If you don't tell us where you came from, of course, chances are we won't let you into the country in the first place, but if you successfully lie to us upon arrival, well, you got us.

Are we nice, or what?

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