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quote [ The president-elect also said he would force drug firms to negotiate prices in Medicare and Medicaid. ]

That faint 'pop' was the sound of Paul Ryan's head exploding.

So yeah, the President-elect just promised to replace Obamacare with actual universal health coverage, a direct contradiction with the official Republican policy of guaranteed health care for nobody.
Still TBD- whether anything that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth has any validity whatsoever.

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Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

By Robert Costa and Amy Goldstein
January 15 at 10:00 PM

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

Trump declined to reveal specifics in the telephone interview late Saturday with The Washington Post, but any proposals from the incoming president would almost certainly dominate the Republican effort to overhaul federal health policy as he prepares to work with his party’s congressional majorities.

Trump’s plan is likely to face questions from the right, after years of GOP opposition to further expansion of government involvement in the health-care system, and from those on the left, who see his ideas as disruptive to changes brought by the Affordable Care Act that have extended coverage to tens of millions of Americans.

In addition to his replacement plan for the ACA, also known as Obamacare, Trump said he will target pharmaceutical companies over drug prices.

“They’re politically protected, but not anymore,” he said of pharmaceutical companies.

The objectives of broadening access to insurance and lowering health-care costs have always been in conflict, and it remains unclear how the plan that the incoming administration is designing — or ones that will emerge on Capitol Hill — would address that tension.

In general, congressional GOP plans to replace Obamacare have tended to try to constrain costs by reducing government requirements, such as the medical services that must be provided under health plans sold through the law’s marketplaces and through states’ Medicaid programs. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) and other Republicans have been talking lately about providing “universal access” to health insurance, instead of universal insurance coverage.

Trump said he expects Republicans in Congress to move quickly and in unison in the coming weeks on other priorities as well, including enacting sweeping tax cuts and beginning the building of a wall along the Mexican border.

Trump warned Republicans that if the party splinters or slows his agenda, he is ready to use the power of the presidency — and Twitter — to usher his legislation to passage.

“The Congress can’t get cold feet because the people will not let that happen,” Trump said during the interview with The Post.

Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — “lower numbers, much lower deductibles” — he said he is ready to unveil it alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

“It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon,” Trump said. He noted that he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to be confirmed. That decision rests with the Senate Finance Committee, which hasn’t scheduled a hearing.

Trump’s declaration that his replacement plan is ready comes after many Republicans — moderates and conservatives — expressed anxiety last week about the party’s lack of a formal proposal as they held votes on repealing the law. Once his plan is made public, Trump said, he is confident that it could get enough votes to pass in both chambers. He declined to discuss how he would court wary Democrats.

So far, Republicans have taken the first steps toward repealing the law through budget reconciliation, a process by which only a simple majority is needed in the Senate. The process would enable them to dismantle aspects of the law that involve federal spending.

The plan that Trump is preparing will come after the House has taken more than 60 votes in recent years to kill all or parts of the ACA to adopt more conservative health-care policies, which tend to rely more heavily on the private sector.

“I think we will get approval. I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval. You see what’s happened in the House in recent weeks,” Trump said, referencing his tweet during a House Republican move to gut their independent ethics office, which along with widespread constituent outrage was cited by some members as a reason the gambit failed.

As he has developed a replacement package, Trump said he has paid attention to critics who say that repealing Obamacare would put coverage at risk for more than 20 million Americans covered under the law’s insurance exchanges and Medicaid expansion.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

Republican leaders have said that they will not strand people who gained insurance under the ACA without coverage. But it remains unclear from either Trump’s comments in the interview or recent remarks by GOP leaders on Capitol Hill how they intend to accomplish that.

For conservative Republicans dubious about his pledge to ensure coverage for millions, Trump pointed to several interviews he gave during the campaign in which he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

Trump did not say how his program overlaps with the comprehensive plan authored by House Republicans. Earlier this year, Price suggested that a Trump presidency would advance the House GOP’s health-care agenda.

When asked in the interview whether he intends to cut benefits for Medicare as part of his plan, Trump said “no,” a position that was reiterated Sunday on ABC by Reince Priebus, Trump’s incoming chief of staff. He did not elaborate on that view or how it would affect his proposal. He expressed that view throughout the campaign.

Timing could be difficult as Trump puts an emphasis on speed. Obama’s law took more than 14 months of debate and hundreds of hearings. To urge lawmakers on, Trump plans to attend a congressional Republican retreat in Philadelphia this month.

Moving ahead, Trump said that lowering drug prices is central to reducing health-care costs nationally — and that he will make it a priority as he uses his bully pulpit to shape policy. When asked how exactly he would force drug manufacturers to comply, Trump said that part of his approach would be public pressure “just like on the airplane,” a nod to his tweets about Lockheed Martin’s F-35 fighter jet, which Trump said was too costly.

Trump waved away the suggestion that such activity could lead to market volatility on Wall Street. “Stock drops and America goes up,” he said. “I don’t care. I want to do it right or not at all.” He added that drug companies “should produce” more products in the United States.

The question of whether the government should start negotiating how much it pays drugmakers for older Americans on Medicare has long been a partisan dispute, ever since the 2003 law that created Medicare drug benefits prohibited such negotiations.

Trump’s goal is uncertain, however, with respect to Medicaid, the insurance for low-income Americans run jointly by the federal government and states. Under what is known as a Medicaid “best price” rule, pharmaceutical companies already are required to sell drugs to Medicaid as the lowest price they negotiate with any other buyer.

On his plan for tax cuts, Trump said that “we’re getting very close” to putting together legislation. His advisers and Ryan met last week and have been working from his campaign’s plan and from congressional proposals to slash current rates. “It’ll probably be 15 to 20 percent for corporations. For individuals, probably lower. Great middle-class tax cuts,” Trump said.

On corporate tax rates, “We may negotiate a little, but we want to bring them down and get as close to 15 percent as we can so we can see a mushrooming of jobs moving back.”

Trump said he would not relent on his push for increasing taxes on U.S. companies that manufacture abroad — and insisted that the upcoming tax cuts should be enough reason for companies to produce within the United States.

“If companies think they’re going to make their cars or other products overseas and sell them back into the United States, they’re going to pay a 35 percent tax,” he said.

Briefly touching on immigration, Trump said that building a border wall and curbing illegal immigration remain at the top of his to-do list and that he is spending significant time looking at ways to begin projects, both with Congress and through executive action. He did not disclose what was to come on those fronts.

Donald Trump may have just destroyed the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare

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Donald Trump may have just destroyed the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare

By Paul Waldman
January 16 at 8:51 AM

When even the most committed Republicans came around to support Donald Trump in 2016, they made a kind of bet. It wouldn’t matter much that Trump had no apparent fealty to conservative ideology or that he was a complete ignoramus about policy, because he’d be leaving all that boring stuff to them. The Republican Congress would pass its agenda, he’d sign whatever they put in front of him, and they’d all live happily ever after.

But now it’s not looking so simple. In fact, Trump just dealt a huge blow to their top priority: repealing the Affordable Care Act. Accomplishing repeal without causing the GOP a political calamity is an extremely delicate enterprise, and the last thing they want is to have him popping off at the mouth and promising things they can’t deliver. Which is what he just did:

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid …

Trump said his plan for replacing most aspects of Obama’s health-care law is all but finished. Although he was coy about its details — “lower numbers, much lower deductibles” — he said he is ready to unveil it alongside Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). …

As he has developed a replacement package, Trump said he has paid attention to critics who say that repealing Obamacare would put coverage at risk for more than 20 million Americans covered under the law’s insurance exchanges and Medicaid expansion.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.” …

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

We should begin with the assumption that nothing Trump says can be taken at face value; the “plan” that he claims is being devised could be no more real than the secret plan to defeat the Islamic State he used to claim that he had formulated. But that’s not the point. What matters is this: Donald Trump just emphatically promised universal health coverage. That’s an absolutely gigantic promise, and it’s one that Republicans have no intention of keeping.

But now they’re stuck with it. Democrats will be saying, “President Trump promised that everyone would be covered!” every day for as long as this debate goes on. Every time a congressional Republican is interviewed on this topic, they’ll be asked, “President Trump said that everyone would be covered. Does your plan do that?,” and they’ll have to bob and weave as they try to avoid admitting the truth.

That’s because the Republican plan, in whatever final form it takes, will absolutely, positively not cover everyone. Universal coverage isn’t even one of their goals. Republicans believe it’s much more important to get government as far away from health care as possible. In place of the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid and subsidies for the purchase of insurance that have extended coverage to 20 million more people than used to have it, they’ll be offering some tax credits and health savings accounts, which would be very good for the healthy and wealthy, but not so great for other people.

They call this “universal access,” which is meant to sound like “universal coverage” but is actually nothing of the sort. The truth is that there are really only two ways you can achieve universal coverage: by having the government cover everyone in some form of single-payer, or with a set of extremely coercive mandates to carry coverage, much more coercive than the ones in the ACA. Republicans would rather pluck out their own eyes than agree to either one of those. So the trick is to make the public think they won’t take away coverage from tens of millions of people, while doing just that.

That requires some rhetorical subtlety, which is something Trump is just not capable of. Here’s more evidence: Trump’s insistence that the Republican plan will give people “much lower deductibles” is absolutely false — in fact, every extant Republican plan promotes higher deductibles, as a way of forcing people to become aggressive health-care shoppers because they have “skin in the game” and, thereby, through the magic of the market, driving down costs.

If Trump understood the political and policy challenges Republicans face, he’d know that high deductibles are supposed to be complained about and wielded as evidence that the ACA is a failure, but you’re not supposed to actually promise that any Republican plan will lower them. You want people to assume that, of course, but you don’t want to promise it directly, because then you might be held accountable for that promise.

But Trump says whatever comes into his head, and whatever seems like it might be popular. People hate out-of-pocket costs, so he promises low deductibles. People don’t like the idea of tens of millions losing their coverage, so he promises that everyone will be covered.

And now, congressional Republicans are going to have to answer for breaking a promise they didn’t even make. At a moment when opposition to the repeal of the ACA is gathering strength, this was the last thing they needed.

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Comments

bbqkink said^[1] @ 6:09pm GMT on 16th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]

Don't be fooled too much what the Republicans are talking about is "universal access" not universal coverage. My guess is somebody needed to explain the difference to Trump. I hope by this braggadocio it helps keep some people covered.

Republicans in general have a hard time understanding how insurance works, but this is pure fantasy. You think we can rename a government option or even single payer and maybe they wouldn't notice....call it the liberty plan or something?

sanepride said @ 6:48pm GMT on 16th Jan

All true, but the meat of this story is that Trump seems to be talking about a plan he's hatching apart from whatever the Republicans are working on. The big question is whether he's completely full of shit or not. It's also possible it's a strategic ploy- come up with something Congressional Republicans find completely unacceptable, set up a stand-off, and the default option is sticking with the ACA.

bbqkink said @ 7:15pm GMT on 16th Jan

"The big question is whether he's completely full of shit or not.'

Oh come on....the ACA is a complicated and intricate balance of laws that kinda work...almost. It took years to put together and longer to get passed... Trump has a plan...haha.

sanepride said @ 8:33pm GMT on 16th Jan

Well like I say, his plan might really be to force a stand-off and try to hold on to the ACA for as long as possible.
But keep in mind that a universal health care plan doesn't have to be complicated. The ACA is mainly because of the compromises that had to be hammered out to try to satisfy such a varied bunch of political and insurance interests.

bbqkink said @ 8:42pm GMT on 16th Jan

we are way too far down the road of wishful thinking still the most logical explanations is Trump has no idea what he is taking about only the words that poll well or more than likely trend on what ever website he goes to..

LurkerAtTheGate said @ 6:55pm GMT on 16th Jan

"Republicans in general have a hard time understanding how insurance works"

This sums up the entirety of my dinner conversation with in-laws last night. "But I don't want to have to pay for pregnancy insurance when I'm in my 70s and clearly not going to get pregnant."

You can't debate the function of a system with someone who can't understand the core principles and basic mechanics. Believe me, I tried.

Which is why Trump is hilarious -- he makes declarations without understanding, and when someone calls him out on not following through (or indeed, doing the perfect opposite), he'll merrily just deny he ever said/did such a thing. Trump would literally piss on us and tell us it's raining.

HoZay said @ 7:31pm GMT on 16th Jan

Why should I have to pay property taxes to support schools, I don't have any kids in school, etc.

bbqkink said @ 7:56pm GMT on 16th Jan

Or prison...

HoZay said @ 8:24pm GMT on 16th Jan

Well, not at the moment.

yunnaf said @ 3:10am GMT on 17th Jan

Kids were in prison for not going to school.

satanspenis666 said @ 8:49pm GMT on 16th Jan

Why should young people pay for elderly care? Paying for pregnant woman is a better option.

kylemcbitch said @ 9:00pm GMT on 16th Jan

Do I really need to explain to be people why giving a shit about other people ultimately means giving a shit about yourself?

lilmookieesquire said @ 9:41pm GMT on 16th Jan

Because providing everyone with preventative care instead of emergency care gives private hospitals and (if it was functional) insurance companies more money while keeping a healthier working population.

Unless you just hire H1visa immigrants creating brain drain for other countries and letting you defacto fire them/pay them lower wages in return for not having to be responsible for them.

Then you can blame colleges for not providing proper training and colleges can continue charging 60k for a useless degree while refusing to let students default on their debt.

HoZay said @ 9:41pm GMT on 16th Jan

It's like explaining something to your cat.

lilmookieesquire said @ 10:37pm GMT on 16th Jan

The message I've heard for about twenty years now is that I'm paying into a system I won't benefit from. I blame the system for that. The idea makes sense. It's one of the core concepts/advantages of living in a society.

HoZay said @ 10:53pm GMT on 16th Jan [Score:2]

This is the attitude of my BIL, the Libertarian. Who borrows my tools.

knumbknutz said @ 2:30am GMT on 17th Jan

Hey...I told you I'd have your drill back soon....why do you gotta pester me every 6 months about it?

HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 6:01pm GMT on 16th Jan

On the other hand, his top pick for the FDA just tried to nuke his Twitter account, but of course you can never delete something from the internet forever...

steele said @ 6:07pm GMT on 16th Jan

So correct me if I'm wrong, because i've been out in the woods and may have missed it, but I've yet so see any actual attacks on the mandate. I've seen amendments attacking the ACA bandaids; The pre-existing conditions, contraception coverage, young adults on their parents plan. But nothing attacking the individual mandate... that the original Heritage Foundation plan was built on.

sanepride said @ 6:27pm GMT on 16th Jan

When you say 'actual attacks', do you mean actual legislative attacks? Because the only actions we've really seen in that area is full repeal, lock stock and barrel, including obviously the individual mandate. If you mean rhetorical attacks the mandate has always been front and center. Preexisting conditions and young adults on parents plan (obviously not contraception) are among the few things Republicans talk about preserving, even if they are full of shit about it.

steele said @ 6:44pm GMT on 16th Jan

Oh nope, my mistake. Cognitive bias on my part. I've been thinking we're going to end up with an even shittier individual mandate and that's what your post made me think of. Those were proposals that were voted down. Not active attacks.

bbqkink said^[1] @ 6:53pm GMT on 16th Jan

As it stands now the house and senate have passed a bill that would gut the underpinning of the mandate. They passed this with reconciliation and as such can only affect the money, so it eliminated the tax rebates for those who buy insurance on the exchanges and took away the tax penalty for those who are required to and don't.

sanepride said @ 7:03pm GMT on 16th Jan

...and of course the result would be a collapse of the insurance market.
The political brilliance of Obamacare is its built-in self-destruct mechanism. It's virtually impossible to dismantle its core components without blowing everything up.

bbqkink said^[1] @ 7:16pm GMT on 16th Jan

The question comes down to...one I have been afraid to ask for years..."They can't be that stupid can they?"

The other side of that coin is that Trump was at one time a proponent of single payer...if....if...He could dump a bomb in Ryan's lap.

This could get personally embarrassing for me if Trump get single payer heath insurance passed. I may have to do a lot of ass kissing around here...What does Green ass taste like.... anybody?

HP Lovekraftwerk said @ 7:28pm GMT on 16th Jan

I don't think you'd have to ass-kiss. There's nothing wrong with embracing a policy that someone you politically oppose promotes if it's in line with your views. However, several things have to happen:

1. The policy has to actually be a single payer plan, not some scam in the guise of such a mandate.
2, Trump has to get it passed, and that would require consistently hammering the concept of a single-payer system home to Congress. No backsies.
3. The GOP would have to decide that it's backing Trump no matter what he does, as opposed to backing what he does when it lets them "hit" groups they don't like.
4. Trump has to have enacted this initiative on purpose. I don't think it'd be fair to credit him with it if he pushed a policy that he wouldn't have if he'd been aware of what he was saying. If this is all a misunderstanding on his part and the only thing keeping him from taking it back is his ego, then it doesn't count as an actual policy on his part.

bbqkink said^[1] @ 7:41pm GMT on 16th Jan

The ass kissing would come from me telling them it was imperative to vote for Clinton because Trump would destroy a lot of what they say they hold dear. And then have him getting something passed that the most progressive of us have given up on for at least 10 years.

Don't get me wrong I am not ready to pucker up just yet. I think it is probably less tha a 1 in 100 shot he even mentions it...less that 1 in a million it comes up for a vote ...and so remote not worth mentioning the odds that it would pass.

Oh I would be out there cheering say Go Trump...but ....I did say Clinton would win by over 5 points too...so there is that.

sanepride said @ 8:23pm GMT on 16th Jan

Just wild speculation here-
But if Trump really has a plan for universal coverage- but not actual single payer, it might look something like the German healthcare system, which in fact might not be a bad option. Being essentially market-based it could even be something Congressional Republicans can swallow.

bbqkink said @ 8:26pm GMT on 16th Jan

Your lips to God's ears.
Oh and doesn't get me off the ass puckering line because it is much further than Clinton would have went.

kylemcbitch said @ 8:40pm GMT on 16th Jan

Tell you what, on the astronomically slim chance he does get something like that done, I wont require any ass kissing on your part. I was dumb enough to believe Republicans that spoke out against him would keep doing so, so to err is human.

sanepride said @ 8:42pm GMT on 16th Jan

Clinton wanted to revive the Public Option and further expand both Medicare and Medicaid, so she would definitely have headed in this direction. Whatever Trump is thinking is still unknown, so it's way premature to pucker up.

bbqkink said @ 9:06pm GMT on 16th Jan

To tell you the truth I would be happy if the GOP just steps on their own dick so badly they can't destroy this and kill people.

KingPellinore said @ 2:33pm GMT on 17th Jan

Remember when Bill Clinton first took office, one of the first things he and Hillary tried to do was pass Universal Health Care.

Ironically, the GOP's alternative plan looked an awful lot like the ACA. But neither of them went anywhere.

yunnaf said @ 3:19am GMT on 17th Jan

Everything repealed to date was done in conference - they defunded the budget items for ACA.
They have not repealed the policy aspects -pre-existing conditions, children up to 26 covered under parents plan and subsidies for those who can't pay mandatory premiums.
So these items will be unfunded yet stand as policy.
Defunding was easy, they have to present a policy.
Those who say that the ACA works can say that it balanced policy with funding.
The challenge for Republicans is to ensure that their policy can be funded.
They are very stingy on funding and generous on the policy.
That is their dilemma.

sanepride said @ 3:38am GMT on 17th Jan

Well nothing has actually been repealed or defunded - yet.
They've just voted on the mechanisms for repeal. But yeah, repealing part or all of the ACA will result in a budget hole of some $350 billion. Yet, even the most strident deficit hawks in Congress seem to be OK with this for some reason.

HoZay said @ 8:30pm GMT on 16th Jan

If they just transition from saying they'll repeal and replace, to saying they did, most of their voters will believe it.

bbqkink said @ 8:52pm GMT on 16th Jan

Like what Obama said to Trump...basically he said, just call it Trump care and move on.

the circus said @ 3:14am GMT on 17th Jan

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HoZay said @ 9:40pm GMT on 16th Jan

The B Street Band withdraws from inaugural ball

lilmookieesquire said @ 9:45pm GMT on 16th Jan

"Forte initially defended the gig, saying the band had signed a contract to play in 2013 and planned to honor it."

Ah. Okay. I was like "how did these guys think it could be cool for a Bruce Springsteen cover and to play for Trump.

HoZay said @ 10:27pm GMT on 16th Jan

They didn't know they were being booked into Bizarro World.

lilmookieesquire said @ 10:36pm GMT on 16th Jan

Indeed. 😏

bbqkink said^[2] @ 12:34am GMT on 17th Jan

What has caught my ear is Trump's international comments.

NATO Shmato?

I haven't put too much stock in the Trump Russian connection other than Trump's ego about the election (Nobody had to help me) and a general alliance with Russia as a White Christian anti Muslim nation a possible fellow crusader.

But the evidence is becoming overwhelming... not only the anti NATO rhetoric. But at the same time going all out attack dog on Germany.

Trump says Merkel made 'catastrophic mistake' with refugee policy

At first just looks like part of his "Muslims Bad" Crusader spiel until he went after trade deals and the car makers. That was a bit over the line after all Germany is the THE "White Christian Nationalist" place then I realized that Germany is the key to Russian sanctions.

And at the Same time Trump is saber rattling with China... Russia's number 1 geopolitical rival. Then restarts the disrespect for our inelegance services over a Russian comment...WTF???

+++++EDIT+++++

I'm wondering if this latest outburst is going to cost him his Sec. of State nominee. McCain was pretty clear what he needed to hear from Trump and this just jumped the shark.

bbqkink said^[1] @ 3:04am GMT on 17th Jan

To me this will be the first good look we will have of Trumps ability to walk and chew gum at the same time and just how much are the old guard willing to defend the old world order against Trump and his buddy Vald.

I see this guy as a sacrificial lamb whose Throat gets cut to show Trump he isn't the total boss ....or where McCain kiss the ring and they crown Trump Leader of the GOP.

Rex Tillerson’s Jaw-Dropping Testimony Just Completely Disqualified Him
The former ExxonMobil CEO is too conflicted, too ill-prepared, and too disengaged to be seriously considered for the position of secretary of state.

Triilerson has given them plenty of reason if they want to say no

Menchi said @ 2:23am GMT on 17th Jan

He can vow whatever the fuck he wants, and it means jack shit until it actually happens.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/05/mike-pence/pences-false-claim-trump-hasnt-broken-tax-return-p/

bbqkink said @ 2:40am GMT on 17th Jan

A GOP-affiliated group is spending more than $1.4 million to run digital and television advertisements that laud a Republican plan to replace the Affordable Care Act—despite the fact that the party has yet to present any such pla

"Note especially where the campaign, initiated by a group tied to House leadership, is focused: "It will target the districts of vulnerable Republicans, members of leadership, committee chairmen and even rank-and-file Republicans in deep red districts."

Which means they are in trouble the ACA may have a chance.

Ussmak said @ 4:13am GMT on 17th Jan

Trump wins again.
Neo-liberals further made to look like the fools they are.
Russia is not the bad guy anymore.
Chile released the most convincing UFO video in history, and people ignored it.
There's crazy shit going on in Antarctica.
2017 is going to make last year look like nothing.

kylemcbitch said @ 4:22am GMT on 17th Jan

... People ignored a UFO video? First, I imagine you mean sane people, because I guarantee you that every crazy moron in the world is all over that shit like white on rice.

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