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Wednesday, 4 February 2015
quote [ TORONTO ? A coalition of tobacco-control advocates is calling on the Ontario Film Review Board to toughen its rating for films that contain smoking-related scenes to keep young people from taking up the addictive habit. ]
TORONTO ? A coalition of tobacco-control advocates is calling on the Ontario Film Review Board to toughen its rating for films that contain smoking-related scenes to keep young people from taking up the addictive habit.
The group wants the OFRB to designate any new movie that contains tobacco use as 18A, which would require anyone under age 18 to be accompanied by an adult. In the Maritimes and Manitoba, an 18A rating also means children under 14 are prohibited from viewing the film. ?In Ontario, 90% of the top-grossing movies are all rated for children and teens,? said Lorraine Fry, executive director of the Non-Smokers? Rights Association. Movies now in theatres that contain smoking include Paddington (OFRB-rated G ? suitable for all ages), The Imitation Game (PG ? parental guidance), Taken 3 and Mortdecai (both 14A ? suitable for age 14 and up). ?This is one of the last forms of media where tobacco use can actually be shown to kids,? said Fry, noting Canada has banned tobacco advertising and promotion.
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steele said @ 7:53pm GMT on 4th Feb
I quit years ago, so in order to avoid thinking about cigarettes at all I just automatically assume that all smoking I see on tv or in movies is marijuana.
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cb361 said @ 9:48pm GMT on 4th Feb
No wonder Gandalf thought he was a wizard, and tried to ride a bird.
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steele said @ 12:18am GMT on 5th Feb
tried?
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cb361 said @ 12:35am GMT on 5th Feb
Yes. The last of his father's papers, edited by Christopher Tolkien revealed that Gandalf was in fact a New Jersey Beatnik. The story we receive is actually Murdo St. Jazznik's perception of his drug-fueled delusions. A classic case of the Unreliable Narrator.
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Jack Blue said @ 10:48am GMT on 5th Feb
Next you're telling me that Mordor is in fact an metaphor for war trenches?
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cb361 said @ 8:14pm GMT on 5th Feb
Murdo St. Jazznik cordially dislikes allegory in all its manifestations.
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gendo666 said @ 8:02pm GMT on 4th Feb
Well that's what I smoke. I have migraines (really bad ones ) and I vape more than smoke and although my MD has offered me a prescription I can actually buy it elsewhere cheaper.
This actually reminds me of Ghost of the Grand Banks where the company which is going to try and raise the Titanic has made it's money by digitally editing cigarettes and smoke out of old movies. I found the concept enraging and stupid. irritating and stupid. I still do. Ontario's film board is an outdated piece of crap full of out of touch idiots anyway. It reminds me of the old League of Catholic Decency and their efforts to censor films in the 1930s. (I may be off by a decade) |
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lilmookieesquire said @ 8:29pm GMT on 4th Feb
Guys! Help! I watched Jurassic park and now I want to be a dinosaur!!!!!
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lilmookieesquire said[1] @ 8:31pm GMT on 4th Feb
Can't... Rawwwwwrrr... Control.... Rawwwwrrrrr!!... Myself... RAWWWWWWRRRRR!!!
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lildinoesquire said @ 8:32pm GMT on 4th Feb
[Score:1 Good]
RAWWWWWRRRRR
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steele said @ 8:33pm GMT on 4th Feb
See it through, man. See it through.
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sanepride said @ 8:38pm GMT on 4th Feb
So is mookie extinct now? Because that would be sad :(
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steele said @ 8:42pm GMT on 4th Feb
That's not how it works. He's endangered now.
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lilmookieesquire said @ 12:12am GMT on 5th Feb
[Score:1 Underrated]
Rawrrrr?
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steele said @ 12:17am GMT on 5th Feb
Don't forget to update your fb profile picture.
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cb361 said @ 9:48pm GMT on 4th Feb
Settle down Calvin.
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Headlessfriar said @ 8:34pm GMT on 4th Feb
You think that's all cool now, with the badass flesh-tearing teeth and claws, but when your near-vestigial fingers are too short to type, use a mouse, drive a car, or reach your neglected genitalia, you'll be sorry.
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gendo666 said @ 8:45pm GMT on 4th Feb
Remember when this evil guy killed the last dino?
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-07/11/4/enhanced/webdr08/enhanced-28821-1405068840-5.jpg |
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mechanical contrivance said @ 8:55pm GMT on 4th Feb
Actually, that's normal. Just don't attack anyone.
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Ankylosaur said @ 10:19pm GMT on 4th Feb
WE'RE A CULTURE, NOT A COSTUME!
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Dienes said @ 2:49pm GMT on 5th Feb
And that's how otherkin were created.
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sanepride said @ 8:43pm GMT on 4th Feb
Seems like a counter-productive strategy. Why do young people start smoking in the first place? There's already no shortage of social stigma and dire health warnings surrounding the habit. They start smoking because it's frowned upon and naughty. So I wonder what effect making it even more naughty might have on youth with such inclinations?
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steele said @ 9:16pm GMT on 4th Feb
[Score:1 Informative]
They smoked because it was perceived as being cool thanks to a constant media campaign. Smoking isn't cool anymore. It's all about e-cigs and vaping now.
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sanepride said @ 9:54pm GMT on 4th Feb
Sure, historically kids started smoking because it was 'cool', or specifically marketed as such. I think with the more recent stigmatization of smoking kids start more because it's baaaaaaad. As for vaping, yeah I'm aware of it's up & coming coolness, but somehow it just seems really silly. Kind of like riding a scooter instead of a Harley.
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Ankylosaur said @ 10:23pm GMT on 4th Feb
[Score:4 Funny]
Vaping scooter gangs are rebels without a cough.
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steele said @ 10:27pm GMT on 4th Feb
It's less about being bad though and more mimicry of those they consider baaaaaad. There's quite an image change between an an awkward aspergers character doing something and a cool character doing something.
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sanepride said @ 10:31pm GMT on 4th Feb
Sure, really it's about the image of baaaaaad. And certainly in the minds of these kids there's plenty of overlap between 'cool' and baaaaaaad.
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steele said @ 10:59pm GMT on 4th Feb
I'm a little confused about when sheep became so darn cool though ;)
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cb361 said @ 12:36am GMT on 5th Feb
They're baaaaaaad to the bone.
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foobar said @ 9:10pm GMT on 4th Feb
Will it make it any more naughty, though, or will they just be less exposed to it?
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sanepride said @ 9:56pm GMT on 4th Feb
I'd turn this question around- will they really be less exposed to it? I wonder how many kids took up smoking because they saw someone smoking in a movie?
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Dienes said @ 2:52pm GMT on 5th Feb
[Score:1 Insightful]
I don't think its necessarily a conscious "It looked cool in that movie, I'm gonna do it!" as much as it is the repeated exposure and learned values (e.g., over time with repeated viewing it takes on higher value and the probability fo trying it out increases).
Not that that is a good rationale to ban it entirely. |
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foobar said @ 1:40am GMT on 5th Feb
Most, I imagine, took it up because they saw someone they thought was cool doing it.
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ENZ said @ 2:08am GMT on 5th Feb
Yeah, but I'd wager it was the local delinquents rather than Humphrey Bogart.
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foobar said @ 6:59pm GMT on 5th Feb
It would be both.
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ENZ said @ 9:09pm GMT on 4th Feb
There was an episode of the X-Files that did more to turn me off from smoking than any PSA or warning label. Some species of beetle laid it's eggs on tobacco plants, it got processed into cigarettes, and people who smoked them had their lungs will with larvae that ate them from the inside out.
Even as a kid I knew the science behind it was bullshit, but at least it framed the whole "smoking is bad, m'kay" thing in an entertaining way. |
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HoZay said @ 9:16pm GMT on 4th Feb
The Smoking Man character on X-Files wasn't someone you wanted to be like, either.
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cakkafracle said @ 1:18am GMT on 5th Feb
fuckin CANCER MAN
i was pissed when the show changed it to Cigarette Smoking Man. don't get me started |
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HoZay said @ 5:39am GMT on 5th Feb
Trust no one.
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b said @ 8:54am GMT on 5th Feb
From what I know, "Cancer Man" was born of the Internet fanbase and he was only ever officially CSM.
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cakkafracle said[1] @ 11:43pm GMT on 5th Feb
There was no internet as we know it when the show started, and for sure Mulder called him Cancer Man at least once in the show.
"Cancer Man" (by Fox Mulder in November 1995) (TXF: "One Breath") and I remember Scully saying it too but I could be wrong. |
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b said @ 2:57am GMT on 6th Feb
Of course there was no internet as we know it now, but it was there and there was an X-Files community online almost right from the start.
The message boards from the time go back as far as at least 1995, that I could find, and it's there that Cancer Man sees the most use. Yes, Mulder called him that in One Breath, but from anything I can dig up, the character was known as The Smoking Man or Cigarette Smoking Man. I'm not purporting to be an expert, but I agree that Mulder's angry outburst probably spawned the name, but it wasn't the official character name. |
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arrowhen said @ 10:26pm GMT on 6th Feb
[Score:1 Funsightful]
I remember a magazine interview with the actor back in the day where he talked about how "fans" (don't recall if he mentioned the internet or not) sometimes referred to his character as the Marlboro Man or Cancer Man but in the scripts it always said Cigarette Smoking Man. He said something to the effect that he was glad his official name wasn't Cancer Man because that sounded like a bad superhero.
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foobar said @ 5:15am GMT on 6th Feb
alt.tv.x-files was created in December, 1993, within two months of the first broadcast.
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b said @ 8:37pm GMT on 6th Feb
That's what I figured, I just couldn't find any posts that early last night.
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arrowhen said @ 10:20pm GMT on 6th Feb
No, there was no internet as we know it today -- the one we had back then was better.
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HoZay said @ 9:18pm GMT on 4th Feb
They must really hate Mad Men.
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sanepride said @ 9:57pm GMT on 4th Feb
Probably, though smoking is the least of the moral transgressions on that show.
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MadMarchHarris said @ 11:48pm GMT on 4th Feb
Here in Korea it's illegal to show smoking, knives, and bloody wounds (blood is okay though) on tv. So they add Japanese porn-style blurs to the offending bits. I watched Blade the other day and it was almost confusing how blurry everything was.
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rhesusmonkey said @ 5:50am GMT on 5th Feb
Fuck these people. This is no doubt the same lot that want to also ban outdoor smoking on patios.
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Pandafaust said @ 1:40pm GMT on 5th Feb
My cat is weird. Instead of bringing us mice he brings us presents of sticks, bark, and pinecones. He brought us so much over the course of a month we used it to mulch our garden.
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Dienes said @ 2:52pm GMT on 5th Feb
I'm sorry, your cat is a vegetarian.
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