Wednesday, 30 June 2021

Bill Cosby Released

quote [ Bill Cosby was released from prison Wednesday after Pennsylvania's highest court overturned his sexual assault conviction, saying the disgraced actor's due process rights were violated in the first major case of the #MeToo era. ]

yall ever just feel like fucking screaming?
[SFW] [people] [+3 WTF]
[by discolemonade2.0@8:01pmGMT]


mechavolt said[1] @ 2:00am GMT on 1st Jul [Score:2 Informative]
This is one of those things where I 100% agree with the ruling but still think it's fucked up and shouldn't have happened.

My understanding is that:
1) In 2005, the prosecutor publicly stated they would not prosecute Cosby. This was an intentional gambit to to not allow Cosby to plead the 5th in his civil case. If there was a guarantee of no prosecution, then admitting to his crimes would not be viewed as self incriminating, and thus he would be forced to give testimony in the civil case.
2) This is exactly what happened in the civil case. Cosby was not allowed to plead the 5th amendment, and had to testify.
3) A different prosecutor decided to use the testimony in the civil case as essential evidence in a new criminal trial. Based on the ruling from today, it seems that the assessment is that without this testimony, Cosby probably would not have been found guilty.
4) That makes the testimony he gave in the civil case self incriminating. But he was not allowed his 5th amendment rights then, and had to give it. Thus the most recent criminal trial violated his 5th amendment rights by using that testimony.

Everyone deserves their constitutional rights, even scumbags like Cosby. I'm just really disappointed that no matter what happened, he was essentially going to escape justice. If they didn't use the testimony, he would have been found innocent. If they did use the testimony, he would be found guilty but let free from prison. There was never a scenario where he actually served the appropriate sentence.
rylex said @ 2:34am GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Good]
Which is why i believe in murdering rapists.
discolemonade2.0 said @ 3:00am GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 laz0r]
thats just good praxis
steele said @ 9:12pm GMT on 1st Jul
"Praxis" on my largely right of center website? Don't give me hope if you're just gonna take it away again.😅
discolemonade2.0 said @ 10:24pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Sad]
wait...i thought you were all commies. fuck.
ill see myself out
discolemonade2.0 said @ 10:45pm GMT on 1st Jul
discolemonade2.0 said @ 3:02am GMT on 1st Jul
also are you doing the unaliving yourself? do you take requests?
rylex said @ 5:18am GMT on 1st Jul
cb361 said @ 9:50am GMT on 1st Jul
And raping murderers?
rylex said @ 9:48pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Good]
Never. I don't condone raping someone who might be a hero.
discolemonade2.0 said[1] @ 2:02am GMT on 1st Jul
no, i mean i agree. the thing is this feels worse than if they had originally ruled there wasnt enough evidence to find him guilty. Like, they arent saying he isnt a rapist, they are saying hey uhhh we know you did it, but due to our mistakes we gotta let you go.

just feels worse somehow.

cb361 said @ 9:29am GMT on 1st Jul
It feels better to me. If he had been found innocent, I would have assumed that he probably was innocent, because the courts have access to much better information than the newspaper headlines where I get my information. But if he was found guilty but released on a technicality, I know and everybody else knows for sure that he was guilty. And that won't be forgotten.
discolemonade2.0 said @ 7:07pm GMT on 1st Jul
not everyone. ive heard plenty of discourse from black men that hes innocent. because you know, everyone loves to throw black women under the bus. regardless of the verdict there would be people claiming hes innocent because of some imagined connection to a character he played years ago. its not even the news coverage that we should be paying attention to but the testimonies of the women themselves. women just dont really make up stuff like that and at last count we had what? 60 women come forward?
discolemonade2.0 said @ 9:57pm GMT on 1st Jul
also by this point im a pro on being disappointed by famous people you like. i listen to pop punk. all those dudes are fucking underage girls..or at least trying to
the circus said @ 5:23pm GMT on 1st Jul [Score:1 Underrated]
There is something out of whack with that. His rights were only violated in that he was found guilty, but he is guilty. It's not the trial that was the violation of his rights. At the very least an act that results in letting a proven criminal/threat go free should be a crime in itself.
Mikhail_16 said @ 10:07pm GMT on 1st Jul
Essentially, he's out on a technicality. That made the trial that convicted him a mistrial and essentially void. It's a really shitty way to interpret the law. See @mechavolt's comment on top as a summary of why.
Hugh E. said @ 1:05am GMT on 1st Jul
Prosecutorial misconduct is common, what's rare is being able to afford a lawyer who will pursue it until something is done about it.
5th Earth said @ 2:12am GMT on 1st Jul
I've always said I would rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man be convicted. Stuff like this is the price we pay. But I don't like it.

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